GIMP v2.0 -- decent imaging for free

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GIMP v2.0 -- decent imaging for free

Postby Straylight » Fri Mar 26, 2004 2:06 pm

The long awaited GIMP 2.0 is out... and I must say, it's brilliant. I expect that most of you will be interested in the Windows version. It can be found here:

http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/gimp/stable.html

Download and install the GTK package first, and then download and install the GIMP package.

You can now have lots of fun creating avatars, webgraphics, banners, etc. and pay nothing.
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Postby madphilb » Fri Mar 26, 2004 7:07 pm

WOOOOO! Hmm.... now off to find out what they put in it! :dance: :dance: :dance:
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Postby Gamer4Life » Mon Mar 29, 2004 12:12 pm

I just downloaded it and its kool! but its confusing
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Postby glitch1501 » Mon Mar 29, 2004 12:41 pm

thanks for the link
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Postby Mangafanatic » Thu Apr 15, 2004 6:20 pm

Can someone post an image they edited or created with Gimp, I'm just curious about it's capabilities.
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Postby JediSonic » Thu Apr 15, 2004 6:47 pm

Could someone give me a comparison between how fast a computer can load and run GIMP 2 as opposed to GIMP? I mean, my computer is barely able to keep up with the first one.. it takes [does test] 19 seconds for it to load up. Also, when I tried to load that cool animation whiteblaze has (of the stick figure), my computer basically crashed from lack of RAM. How much worse off would I be with 2.0? I'm afraid to download it on this hunk of junk unless someone gives me a recommendation :lol:
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Postby madphilb » Thu Apr 15, 2004 7:43 pm

I don't think it's much slower, but I woulnd't count on it being the same. It seems to run well enough on my machine, a 466Mhz with 136MB RAM....

With Image Editing (paint programs specifically) the more memory you have the better off you are. It also helps of you've got you're OS running smooth.

GIMP 2.0 doesn't offically support 98 or ME, however it does appear to run fine, at least for me on 98se. I'm considering dropping a 256MB stick in my machine to replace the 16MB one that came with it originally, but I'm not sure if it's worth the effort since I'm planning on replacing the whole supid thing. If I did do that replacement I think I'd be set for most image editing that I'd be doing here.

As for animated stuff, that can really get big... I've only done a bit here and there with Animated stuff, nothing to major. Best left for a more powerful system.


As for what can be done with the Gimp... just about anything Photoshop or PaintShop Pro can do, so long as you're willing to put the time and effort to learn how to do whatever you want to do.

I had some images saved, artwork that someone who was in the GIMP Art group at Yahoo was doing... nice stuff, but she was an artist and was working with a tablet, most of what I've used it for has been some more basic editing.

As an idea of some of what can be done with the GIMP are as follows:

http://gug.sunsite.dk/gallery.php?artist=125

I don't know if this is the person I was thinking of or not, but she's got some nice looking stuff.... if I find the CD that I might have burned those files on I'll post a pic or two. (BTW, they have some tutorials and whatnot on that site as well).

I've included a pic I did for my Grandmother... it's a cousin of mine, his baby picture put on a scan of a comic from the Parade magazine that comes with the Sunday newspapers. Using GIMP I color-corrected the faded scan of the baby pic, did the editing to the scanned image of the cartoon (in multiple layers) and pasted the two together (which I think I had to not only scale the baby's face but also rotate it into position to fit the cartoon). In the process of doing the image I also had to put in a new band on the reflector on his head, so that (as you can see) was added in using stroked paths. (The printouts looked pretty good, they where wallet size as I recall).
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Postby JediSonic » Thu Apr 15, 2004 8:24 pm

Well your computer has a substantially less amount of RAM than mine does so... thats encouraging :) I'm downloading the installer now
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Postby Master Kenzo » Fri Apr 16, 2004 5:31 am

Mandrake 10 is getting out of date veeery fast...it comes with 1.2.x (dunno exact number)
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Postby JediSonic » Fri Apr 16, 2004 10:38 am

Aww man this stinks... all these command consoles keep popping up with errors about missing fonts (since I have win98) and the program itself is unacceptably slow :(

I wont uninstall it yet, in case anyone has tips about how I can make it go about 2x as fast as it is now :lol: Otherwise I think I'm just going to stick with gimp 1.2

And something that bugs me about both versions is the fact that its often easier to just type a filename manually (if your a good typist :P) than to browse for it by scrolling through a text list of folders. Not to mention, gimp 2 crashed when I tried to save something..
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Postby Savior_Sora » Fri Apr 16, 2004 11:27 am

Yay I've been looking for a link to dl GIMP again. Thanks for the link!!
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Postby Omega Amen » Fri Apr 16, 2004 11:37 am

JediSonic wrote:Aww man this stinks... all these command consoles keep popping up with errors about missing fonts (since I have win98) and the program itself is unacceptably slow :(
The command consoles constantly giving you those errors are what are bringing down your system performance. Since I use Gimp 2.0 on Win98 also, let me tell you what I did to quickly remedy that.

Most likely, if you are like me, I use a Plus! theme that came with its own fonts, and Gimp 2.0 tends to not like that since it wants to emulate your system fonts in its interface. So here is what I did, I went back to Control Panel and opened up Desktop Themes and I unchecked the boxes "Font names and styles" and "Font and windows styles." Basically, I switched back to the Windows default font sizes and styles. Since then, I never got a command console to pop up and complain about fonts, and overall performance improved dramatically.

If you are still having trouble, try going back to the Windows Default theme. That should get rid of those font warnings/errors.

Another note, I have a 800Mhz Athlon Thunderbird and 640 MB of ram, and Gimp 2.0 runs smoothly under Windows 98 for me... once I got rid of those command consoles giving me those font errors. (There is probably another way around this error since it deals with what type of TrueType fonts you have, but I do not know much about that particular subject.)

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Postby JediSonic » Fri Apr 16, 2004 12:28 pm

MS Sans Serif 8.. thats the name of the font it wants but cant find. It says 'reverting to sans serif' about a jillion times per second.

And although I know you were trying to help, all your settings-changing advice got me a quick road to screwed up icons, sounds, and scrollbars :( Too bad my original settings arent even on the list... I wonder where they came from, anyway, if they arent part of windows.. [edit:] oh well i fixed teh scroll bars.. lets see if I can fix the other stuff now.. ITLL BE LIKE A TREASURE HUNT! :lol:

Do you know how I could get a hold of that font so GIMP wouldnt be all mad at me? Or maybe there is a font-settings thing inside GIMP.. unlikely.

[gah, another edit:]
okay the exact error in teh GIMP console from the moment I start it up is:
** (gimp-2.0.exe:4136579697): WARNING **: Couldn't load font "MS Sans Serif 8" falling back to "sans 8"

The funny thing is, I seem to have that font already. There is a 'font file' in my comp called C:\WINDOWS\FONTS\MS Sans Serif 8,10,12,14,18,24
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Postby Omega Amen » Fri Apr 16, 2004 12:50 pm

JediSonic wrote:MS Sans Serif 8.. thats the name of the font it wants but cant find. It says 'reverting to sans serif' about a jillion times per second.
Yes, that was the same error I got.
JediSonic wrote:And although I know you were trying to help, all your settings-changing advice got me a quick road to screwed up icons, sounds, and scrollbars :(
Did you try going back to the Windows Default theme (basically setting your theme back to what it looked like when you first installed Windows 98 by default)?

Another way around this is to go to Display in Control Panel, and select the Appearance tab, and select the Windows Standard Scheme. Once you do that if you look at various items in the Item pull-down menu, sometimes the Font pull-down menu is selectable. When that happens you should see for most items (like Icon or Menu) MS Sans Serif or Microsoft Sans Serif (this is a font that is installed by default with Windows 98). Apply this scheme.

Since this is Windows 98, you might want to restart your system after this change. You also might want to uninstall Gimp 2.0, and then reinstall it with this theme change (and reboot again just because this is Windows 98). If you still get these errors, then I do not know what else to tell you since I am able to get this working fine with just unchecking those two boxes in the Desktop Themes control panel and applying that change.

All I am saying is your system performance is lagging because you have a console popping up printing out millions of error messages on the same error which only deals with a font Gimp has a hard time finding if you do not use that same font. That's it.

Gimp 2.0 is far better than Gimp 1.2, in my opinion. I think it is worth your time trying to get around this error since it seems to be the only one holding you back.
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Postby JediSonic » Fri Apr 16, 2004 1:21 pm

Are you using windows98 se? If so, what directory are the fonts in? Is having them in windows\fonts causing a problem? Does it need to be a 'true type' font? (It isnt)

Maybe we should carry this conversation into IM so this thread can get more on-topic? (just click the button if you wanna do that ;))
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Postby JediSonic » Fri Apr 16, 2004 1:49 pm

OOH! GOOD NEWS! I did some googling and found this: http://www.spinics.net/lists/gimpwin/msg01418.html which told me to change all of my windows font settings to Tahoma, instead of MS Sans Serif... and it worked! Weird, huh? Maybe it can only use the font if its not already in use? Anyway the performance has improved noticably :)

Thanks for the tips, omega! *continues feeling stupid for forgetting the #1 rule of internet: "google is your friend"*
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Postby madphilb » Fri Apr 16, 2004 5:39 pm

I seem to remember this being in the readme file or something for GIMP... I moved Tahoma off into another directory a long time ago (I personally don't think it's as nice to look at), it doesn't seem to hurt performace here as bad, but I'll have to take a look, might be worth putting back.

One of the coolest new features to GIMP 2.0 is that it now shows you the brush as you paint... in the past if you had a large brush selected, it was hard to tell where the edge of it was... can't tell you how many times I had to undo thanks to overpainting somewhere cuz I couldn't tell where the edge of the brush is.
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Postby JediSonic » Sat Apr 17, 2004 12:17 pm

Stupid question but..

Is there any way to draw a click&drag straigh line in GIMP? An image I'm working on needs to be very polygonal, and my mouse-drawing skillz just arent cutting it :P

Also, when I close GIMP2, all these "script-fu" programs are still running in the background of my computer 0_o And firefox doesnt seem to be working properly (cant go anywhere after my homepage).. [edit:] okay actually my firewall had it on its 'block' list for some reason 0_o well its fixed now :lol
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Postby madphilb » Sat Apr 17, 2004 5:50 pm

I can't remember off the top of my head if Shift-clicking will draw from the last point... I'll have to re-load it and check (I'll try to do that later tonight), but you could always draw a "path" with just two points and then "stroke" it.

I'll get back to you on this later tonight once I've re=installed.
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Postby JediSonic » Sun Apr 18, 2004 4:51 pm

Oh yeah! Shift-click works! Awesome.. thanx dude :thumb:

I wonder if there is a button for circles and recangles now :lol:
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Postby madphilb » Sun Apr 18, 2004 7:26 pm

The easiest way to do Circles and Rectanlges is to make a selection, use the selection-to-path function, and then stroke the path. You'll want to fill the selection first if you want it filled in, and be aware (if you aren't already) that you can only paint within a selection when there is one active.

Hmm... do we have a GIMP thread in the Tutorials seciont? Might be a good thing to have (I'd be willing to lend my advice).

BTW, I got GIMP reinstalled now, so I can be more active in giving answers.
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Postby Chazz » Wed Jul 07, 2004 6:36 pm

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Postby ShiroiHikari » Wed Jul 07, 2004 6:40 pm

dude, don't encourage piracy on-site. if you want to pirate that's your thing, but we can't let you encourage it.
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Postby ShiroiHikari » Wed Jul 07, 2004 6:41 pm

dude, don't encourage piracy on-site. if you want to pirate that's your thing, but we can't let you encourage it.
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Postby Jasdero » Mon Jul 12, 2004 12:58 pm

GIMP is one awesome program. But I barely use it. I have Adobe Photoshop CS. ^_^ I'm so happy. THANK YOU MOMMY!!!!
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Postby -.:Eric:.- » Sat Sep 04, 2004 11:05 am

hey people I see that the gimp is a littile complicated so, do you konw where to find a guide???
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Postby SManBeyond » Sat Sep 04, 2004 11:29 am

[color=Blue]This[/color] might help...
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Postby -.:Eric:.- » Sat Sep 04, 2004 3:11 pm

Thanks, SManBeyond.
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Postby ZiP » Wed Sep 08, 2004 8:26 am

Can someone tell me, how do i make a straight line on GIMP 2.0? pleeeaaase. it's so confusing.
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Postby madphilb » Wed Sep 08, 2004 8:33 pm

ZiP wrote:Can someone tell me, how do i make a straight line on GIMP 2.0? pleeeaaase. it's so confusing.

You should be able to set a point by clicking where you want the one end and then hold down the shift key before clicking on the other end of the line (don't have the GIMP up now to try it though).

You could also create a path and stroke it... depending on what you're doing that might be a better choice as you can re-do the same shape if you have to the exact same way by just keeping the paths.
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